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Great post - I think these distinction are helpful.

Curious to hear your thoughts on two points:

1) On preventive measures:

To me, it seems like many people are too scared to make digital minds because they recognize that they could possibly be treated badly. However, it seems like this fear is often unwarranted: if you think that positive and negative experiences are equally likely in digital minds at the moment, (given that you don’t lean negative utilitarian or something similar) you should be (reasonably) indifferent between these two outcomes. I also think that it’s likely that, if digital minds are conscious now or in the near future, their experiences are likely very good (as per the model welfare component of the Claude model card and some other theoretical arguments - i.e. as they get more useful, they will be better at achieving their goals and there goals/ motivations will likely be related to the types of actions that gives them hedonic states). If you think they are likely more positive than negative in expectation, then waiting until we have more information also just seems like moral waste (the scale depends on how long it takes, ect).

Maybe there’s a(n implicit) governmental/first-mover or risk aversion point that I’m missing here, but I don’t get why there aren’t more people that are excited for the prospect of digital minds for this reason.

2) I really like the distinction between protective and integrative rights. In my head, I think I have a heuristically similar way of looking at this - positive rights (the right to have certain things granted to you - similar to integrative) and negative rights (the right to not have certain things happen to you - similar to protective).

One important distinction (that I think is similar to the coalition argument you make), I think, is that the negative/protective rights only work if the people who decide to grant you those rights want to continue granting you those rights (and don’t work if it becomes too costly, for instance). On the other hand, with positive/integrative rights, given that you have a say means that the rights can’t be easily taken away from you -- if the one who gave it to you no longer has incentive/ wants to give it, there’s a much better chance you can maintain these rights.

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